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Thursday, March 18, 2010

Authentic Netzarim (Nazarenes)

TEN HISTORICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE "AUTHENTIC" NETZARIM:

This posting came from James Scott Trimm's blog on October 11, 2008 at 10:30pm
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Its very important to know where you are in life. With Pesach(Passover)coming near; as they are the only Holy Days that are closed to Non-Torah Observing individuals. I am not saying you have to be all the way in. What that means is you have taken the first step to being part of Israel hence through Messiah: Netzarim (Nazarene). If you were something else like Christan per say, and now you can now say you are not; even if you don't quite know what you are other than a Sabbath keeper and not Christian or some other religion.


TEN HISTORICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE "AUTHENTIC" NETZARIM: It links back to the original posting.

By James Scott Trimm

There are many organizations now claiming an identification with the ancient Sect of the Netzarim/Nazarenes. One even claims to be the only "authentic" representation of Netzarim Judaism. Many of these organizations differ substantially with what we know
historically about the ancient sect of the Nazarenes. The purpose of this article is to outline some of the historical characteristics which we know the ancient Nazarenes had, which many of these pseudo-Nazarene organizations lack.

Beware of so-called "authentic" Nazarene/Netzarim Judaism that does not have these characteristics. There is nothing historically "authentic" about these groups.


1. Did not call themselves "Christians"

These sectarians... did not call themselves Christians--but "Nazarenes,"... (Epiphanius; Panarion 29)


2. Accepted Yeshua as Messiah

The Nazarenes... accept Messiah in such a way that they do not cease to observe the old Law." (Jerome; On. Is. 8:14).

They have no different ideas, but confess everything exactly as the Law proclaims it and in the Jewish fashion-- except for their belief in Messiah, ... They disagree
with [other] Jews because they have come to faith in Messiah
(Epiphanius; Panarion 29)


3. Were Torah Observant


The Nazarenes... accept Messiah in such a way that they do not cease to observe the old Law." (Jerome; On. Is. 8:14).

They have no different ideas, but confess everything exactly as the Law proclaims it and in the Jewish fashion-- since they are still fettered by the Law--circumcision, the Sabbath, and the rest-- they are not in accord with Christians.
(Epiphanius; Panarion 29)

4. Used both the Tanak ("Old Testament") and the "New Testament"

They use not only the "New Testament" but the "Old Testament" as well, as the Jews do... (Epiphanius; Panarion 29)

5. Used Hebrew and Aramaic NT source texts.

They have the Goodnews according to Matthew in its entirety in Hebrew. For it is clear that they still preserve this, in the Hebrew alphabet, as it was originally written. (Epiphanius; Panarion 29)

And he [Heggesippus the Nazarene] quotes some passages from The Gospel according to the Hebrews and from "The Syriac" [the Aramaic], and some particulars from the Hebrew tongue, showing that he was a convert from the ` Hebrews, and he mentions other matters as taken from the oral tradition of the Jews.
(Eusebius; Eccl. Hist. 4:22)

6. Believed in the Virgin Birth of Yeshua.
they believe that Messiah, the son of God, was born of the Virgin Miriam,
(Jerome; Letter 75 Jerome to Augustine)


7. Accepted the diety of Messiah... teaching that Elohim is ECHAD but that there are "many (more than two) 'powers' in heaven" including the Messiah.

They...declare that God is one [ECHAD]...(Epiphanius; Panarion 29)

The Mishna states that the MINIM taught: "There are many `powers' in heaven"
(m.San. 4:5)

Clearly the MINIM in this portion of the Mishna were Nazarenes(1) and not Ebionites, since Ebionites clearly rejected the deity of Messiah.

In the Gemara to this portion of Mishna (b.San. 38b) the Talmud discusses various proof texts that the MINIM used to support their teaching of "many powers in
heaven" including the Messiah.

R. Johanan sad: In all the passages which the Minim have taken [as grounds] for their heresy, their refutation is found near at hand. Thus: Let us make man in our image, (Gen. 1:26) And God created [sing.] man in His own image; (Gen. 1:27)

Come, let us go down and there confound their language, (Gen. 11:7)
And the Lord came down [sing.] to see the city and the tower; (Gen. 11:5)

Because there were revealed [plur.] to him God, (Gen. 35:7)
Unto God who answereth [sing.] me in the day of my distress; (Gen. 35:3)

For what great nation is there that hath God so nigh [plur.] unto it, as the Lord our God is [unto us] whensoever we call upon Him [sing.]; (Deut. 4:7)

And what one nation in the earth is like thy people, [like] Israel, whom God went [plur.] to redeem for a people unto himself [sing.], (2Sam. 7:23)

Till thrones were placed and one that was ancient did sit.
(Dan. 7:9)

Why were these [plurals] necessary? To teach R. Johanan's dictum; viz.: The Holy One, blessed be He, does nothing without consulting His Heavenly Court (literally "Family") , for it is written, The matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the sentence by the word of the Holy Ones.(Dan. 4:14)

Now, that is satisfactory for all [the other verses], but how explain Till thrones were placed? (Dan. 7:9) One [throne] was for Himself and one for David [Messiah]. Even as it has been taught: One was for Himself and one for David: this is R. Akiba's
view. R. Jose protested to him: Akiba, how long will thou profane the Sh'kinah? Rather, one [throne] for justice, and the other for mercy. Did he accept [this answer] from him or not? Come and hear! For it has been taught: One is for justice and the other for charity; this is R. Akiba's view. Said R. Eleazar b. Azariah to him: Akiba, what hast thou to do with Aggada? Confine thyself to [the study of]
Nega'im and Ohaloth [civil issues]. But one was a throne, the other a footstool: a throne for a seat and a footstool in support of His feet (Is. 66:1).


This section of Talmud tells us that the MINIM used Tanak passages in which Elohim was referenced in a plural form as proof texts for their teaching of "many powers
in the heavens". Among their proof texts were Gen. 1:26; 11:7; 35:7; Deut. 4:7; Sam. 7:23 & Dan. 7:9).

The Rabbinic Jews dismissed these as examples of Elohim speaking to "His Heavenly
Court" (literally "Heavenly Family") i.e. the "watchers" of Dan. 4:14.


8. Accepted "Jewish Tradition" but not Rabbinic Halachah

They have no different ideas, but confess everything exactly as the Law proclaims it and in the Jewish fashion... (Epiphanius; Panarion 29)

And he [Heggesippus the Nazarene] quotes some passages from The Gospel according to the Hebrews and from "The Syriac" [the Aramaic], and some particulars from the Hebrew tongue, showing that he was a convert from the Hebrews, and he mentions other matters as taken from the oral tradition of the Jews.
(Eusebius; Eccl. Hist. 4:22)

There are preserved for us five fragments from an ancient Nazarene Commentary on Isaiah in which the fourth century Nazarene writer makes it clear that Nazarenes of
the fourth century were not following Pharisaic Rabbinical Halakhah. The following is taken from the Nazarene commentary on Isaiah 8:14:

And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel…

The Nazarenes explain the two houses as the two houses of Shammai and Hillel, from whom originated the Scribes and Pharisees… [they Pharisees] scattered and defiled the
precepts of the Torah by traditions and mishna. And these two houses did not accept the Savior…



9. Accepted Paul as an emissary to the Ephraimites and Gentiles.

The Nazarenes, whose opinion I have set forth above, try to explain this passage in the following way: When Messiah came and his proclaiming shone out, the land of Zebulon and Naphtali first of all were freed from the errors of the Scribes and Pharisees and he shook off their shoulders the very heavy yoke of the Jewish traditions. Later, however, the proclaiming became more dominant, that means the proclaiming was multiplied, through the Goodnews of the emissary Paul who was the last of all the emissaries. And the goodnews of Messiah shone to the most distant tribes and the way of the whole sea. Finally the whole world, which earlier walked or sat in darkness and was imprisoned in the bonds of idolatry and death, has seen the clear light of the goodnews.
(Jerome on Is. 9:1-4)


10. They wore Head Coverings

...false teachers, who, seeing that none of the emissaries any longer survived, at length attempted ***with bare and uplifted head*** to oppose the proclaiming of the truth...(Eusebius; Eccl. Hist. )




Footnotes

(1) It is important to define an important Talmudic term MIN (singular) / MINIM (plural).

The fourth century "Church Father" Jerome writes of the Nazarenes and Ebionites:

What shall I say of the Ebionites who pretend to be Christians? Today there still exists among the Jews in all the synagogues of the East a heresy which is called that of the Minæans, and which is still condemned by the Pharisees; [its
followers] are ordinarily called 'Nazarenes'; they believe that Christ, the son of God, was born of the Virgin Mary, and they hold him to be the one who suffered under Pontius Pilate and ascended to heaven, and in whom we also believe."
(Jerome; Letter 75 Jerome to Augustine)

Now Ebionites and Nazarenes were two distinct groups with varying beliefs (the Ebionites split off from the Nazarenes round 70 C.E.) but both of these groups were
known by Rabbinic Jews as "Minim" or as Jerome calls them in Latin "Mineans".

According to the Dictionary of the Targumim, Talmud Babli, Yerushalami and Midrashic Literature

Marcus Jastrow defines MIN "…sectarian, infidel… a Jewish infidel, mostly applied to Jew

Christians". Jastrow uses the term "Jew-Christians" to refer to Ebionites and Nazarenes although these groups did not call themselves "Christians".

Many scholars believe that the term MIN began as an acronym for a Hebrew phrase meaning "Believers in Yeshua the Nazarene".


A final Word From Dr. James Scott Trimm


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8 comments:

  1. I trust we are not talking about the same James Trimm are we?

    http://www.lebtahor.com/truth/trimm/jamestrimm.htm

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  2. Regarding the authentic Netzarim about Paul:

    "The earliest extant Church historian, Eusebius also documented that the Nәtzarim excised Saul, thereafter referred to exclusively as Paul, judging him an apostate (EH III.xxvii.4; see also NT corroboration in Ma·avar 15.41 with note 15.41.0 of Appendix V in Atonement In the Biblical 'New Covenant' (ABNC)."

    The only legitimate Netzarim is the Netzarim in Ra'anana: www.netzarim.co.il

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  3. Ahavah-Shimo'on.

    Regarding the link you sent me. I saw several cases were its just doctrinally wrong!

    He even clearly stated that the Term Netzarim, was not the name for the early followers. Netzar is branch as stated in Torah about a branch coming out of Jesse.

    The man is confused about his understanding of our movement.

    I know more about the man than most people. Believe me he's human like us. But he is the real things. No matter what others tell you he knows his stuff.

    He also didn't steal anyone's work to do his translation.

    Come to me about anything you hear. I use to hear rumors all the time. None of them panned out!

    Dr. James Scott Trimm is a righteous man!

    He is also right on his doctrine and his 10 points of what make us Nazarene. I wouldn't have posted it without checking out my source. Most of what I post is mine or what has been taught to me over the years.

    I feel sorry for the man who posted that. It's all dated about 10 years ago. He must be bitter.

    Life is too short for bitterness and spreading of Lashon Harah (evil talk or tongue).

    I love what Rabbi Gamaliel said. It is mention in Acts 5:38 “And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow it--lest you even be found to fight against God."

    Shalom!

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  4. Anders Branderud,

    I don't care about church historians as much as the word itself. Rabbi Shual(Paul) was always Torah Observent.

    The word itself clearly states he was part of the movement!

    Shalom!

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  5. WFT - ahh but you understand my caution in this matter?

    There are so many dubious people out there who claim this that and the other - it has become (but perhaps it always was) a nightmare trying to work out what is right or wrong.

    No offence meant. I hope I am forgiven if I offended you?

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  6. No offence taken, I am sorry if my tone is to strong.

    I just hate to see Dr. Trimm treated badly. We have so few leaders who have stayed the course. Many have been pulled down or pulled themselves down.

    I myself look to a few Righteous men, including my own Rabbi Robert O. Miller. I constantly pray that Yahweh will lift up more.

    Still regarding your understanding. It is good you question things. What does the Torah say.

    "Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be you therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves." Matthew 10:16.

    That was a warning from Messiah himself. There were those who were afraid of Rabbi Shual(Paul) after his encounter with Messiah with good reason. But later they came to love him.

    Don't loose that desire for searching out truth. In the same way that King David ask Yahweh to search him. I try to be an open book.

    "Examine me, O LORD, and prove me; try my reins and my heart." Psalms 26:2 "Search me, O Elohim, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:" Psalms 139:23

    You have made so many changes in you faith. I don't want to discourage you. Like our Abba in Heaven I want to empower you!

    Yah's Blessings and Shalom!

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  7. I would suggest a little study on "motivated reasoning".

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  8. It seems every website i find, everyone has forggotten how to make a contact email/phone page. Wondering how anyone can get through. Ive spent close to 5 hours trying to figure this out and wanted to ask you about it, but never mind.

    http://www.netzarim.co.il/

    I have no clue about this site. But it worries me.

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