Thursday, September 30, 2010
Sunday, September 26, 2010
There is no Trinity - But there is Unity!
What do I mean by the title, no trinity.
There are those out there in the Christian community and even some Messianics who still hold on the idea of the "Trinity". I know this is a sacred cow to many Christians. But I must say Torah doesn't support that idea. The whole concept comes from Babylonian thought process. Nimrod, Ishtar, Tammuz: What am I talking about?
Well, for those who don't know the first time a Trinity was mentioned was back then. Ishtar's husband Nimrod died. When her son Tammuz was born she said he was the resurrected Nimrod. The Greeks follow the same route and then the Romans did the same thing with their pagan gods. They even followed through with idea of resurrection and aspiring to greatness; to include coming down to live amongst the people.
Well then the whole concept of Trinity transitioned into the Catholic Church. You may not know that Constantine started the Catholic Church. But he did and he didn't convert to Catholicism till his deathbed. He was pagan till then.
They then made it "Father, Mother, Son", from Nimrod, Izstar, Tammuz; to god our father, Mary the sons mother. Jesus her son and the son of god. Today many Christians try to say they are different than Catholic. But are they really. They still want a doctrine of Demons, namely the Trinity. Father, Son, and Spirit. No where in Torah(the Bible) have I found a single verse to support this claim.They are trying to make an idea fit into the Torah. That's called an agenda when you have an idea and try to prove something by a preconceived idea.
Note: there is even now a concept of taking into account the whole text of the Bible. Then you can find the Trinity from the Bible. But no where does it say three. You're suppose to use the whole Bible to realize that there is a Trinity. Yet not one verse says anything about three. Pretty slim pickings if you ask me.
But why would you want to limit Yahweh to three when he is so so much more. He is one, Echad in Hebrew. It is a unlimited number simply referring to the fact that Yahweh is unified.
As Netzarim we are to study Torah for its own sake, not trying to make it say something. The by product is we gain understanding of who Yahweh is. We grow closers to him. After all, "You Study Whom You Love". So if you love Yahweh then study him by his book, because it is him!
The word says numerous things about the Ruach(Spirit). It says Father and King, Spirit and Holy Spirit. It says the Spirit of Yahweh! But never does it say Trinity. The closest it says it "godhead". But that doesn't mean trinity. Yahweh is beyond the concept of three. He is everything so his number is limitless. The Spirit is very undefined.
Messiah is the father, the image of Yahweh, and his son.
"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious full message of Messiah, who is the image of Elohim, should shine unto them." 2 Corinthians 4:4
"Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;" Hebrews 1:3
"Who is the image of the invisible Elohim, the firstborn of every creature:" Colossians 1:15
"Elohim is Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth." John 4:24
Adam, hence man was created in the image of Yahweh; who is Yeshua (Yahoshua). The fine line between Yeshua and Yahweh our Father is so blended; that its hard to tell who is who. Where one begins and the other ends other words.
HERE IS THE STRAIGHT TALK: When we see a person's body or face, that is not them. The real person is inside of them. It is spirit and flesh. The part we can see is just the image of the person. The real person that is in control of the flesh is not seen.
Yahweh our heavenly Father is not seen as stated in John 4:24 and Colossians 1:15. However Messiah is seen. As far as the Ruach (the spirit), it is an undefined portion of Yahweh. Yeshua is his image, the part we see. Not three personalities, or parts. That's the best way I can say it, with what Torah gives us.
More Later,
James
There are those out there in the Christian community and even some Messianics who still hold on the idea of the "Trinity". I know this is a sacred cow to many Christians. But I must say Torah doesn't support that idea. The whole concept comes from Babylonian thought process. Nimrod, Ishtar, Tammuz: What am I talking about?
Well, for those who don't know the first time a Trinity was mentioned was back then. Ishtar's husband Nimrod died. When her son Tammuz was born she said he was the resurrected Nimrod. The Greeks follow the same route and then the Romans did the same thing with their pagan gods. They even followed through with idea of resurrection and aspiring to greatness; to include coming down to live amongst the people.
Well then the whole concept of Trinity transitioned into the Catholic Church. You may not know that Constantine started the Catholic Church. But he did and he didn't convert to Catholicism till his deathbed. He was pagan till then.
They then made it "Father, Mother, Son", from Nimrod, Izstar, Tammuz; to god our father, Mary the sons mother. Jesus her son and the son of god. Today many Christians try to say they are different than Catholic. But are they really. They still want a doctrine of Demons, namely the Trinity. Father, Son, and Spirit. No where in Torah(the Bible) have I found a single verse to support this claim.They are trying to make an idea fit into the Torah. That's called an agenda when you have an idea and try to prove something by a preconceived idea.
Note: there is even now a concept of taking into account the whole text of the Bible. Then you can find the Trinity from the Bible. But no where does it say three. You're suppose to use the whole Bible to realize that there is a Trinity. Yet not one verse says anything about three. Pretty slim pickings if you ask me.
But why would you want to limit Yahweh to three when he is so so much more. He is one, Echad in Hebrew. It is a unlimited number simply referring to the fact that Yahweh is unified.
As Netzarim we are to study Torah for its own sake, not trying to make it say something. The by product is we gain understanding of who Yahweh is. We grow closers to him. After all, "You Study Whom You Love". So if you love Yahweh then study him by his book, because it is him!
The word says numerous things about the Ruach(Spirit). It says Father and King, Spirit and Holy Spirit. It says the Spirit of Yahweh! But never does it say Trinity. The closest it says it "godhead". But that doesn't mean trinity. Yahweh is beyond the concept of three. He is everything so his number is limitless. The Spirit is very undefined.
Messiah is the father, the image of Yahweh, and his son.
"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious full message of Messiah, who is the image of Elohim, should shine unto them." 2 Corinthians 4:4
"Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;" Hebrews 1:3
"Who is the image of the invisible Elohim, the firstborn of every creature:" Colossians 1:15
"Elohim is Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth." John 4:24
Adam, hence man was created in the image of Yahweh; who is Yeshua (Yahoshua). The fine line between Yeshua and Yahweh our Father is so blended; that its hard to tell who is who. Where one begins and the other ends other words.
HERE IS THE STRAIGHT TALK: When we see a person's body or face, that is not them. The real person is inside of them. It is spirit and flesh. The part we can see is just the image of the person. The real person that is in control of the flesh is not seen.
Yahweh our heavenly Father is not seen as stated in John 4:24 and Colossians 1:15. However Messiah is seen. As far as the Ruach (the spirit), it is an undefined portion of Yahweh. Yeshua is his image, the part we see. Not three personalities, or parts. That's the best way I can say it, with what Torah gives us.
More Later,
James
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